GT5 - Things That Hold It Back

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GT5 - Things That Hold It Back

By Gaetano Prestia

Gran Turismo 5 is a pretty good game. I don’t think many people doubt that. From the large range of cars on offer to the customization elements and racing structure, GT5 is definitely a welcomed addition to the franchise. However, it’s held back by a number of baffling design choices that seem to stand out more the longer you play it. This is a game that sometimes feels like a chore to play, as actual gameplay is buried beneath a hoard of confusing menus and long “installing” times. It’s that kind of game you can’t help but feel a little disappointed about, like a parent seeing their child being brought home in a police van; it’s not anger, just sheer disappointment.

The good thing is that for every one thing GT5 got wrong, it got about five things right. But that shouldn’t forgive particular elements that compromise the experience. This is a game that gamers had waited long and hard for, enduring delay after delay, before finally being submitted to a product that is far from perfect, albeit solid.

Are we spoiled as gamers? Do we raise the bar to unreachable expectations? We are most definitely spoiled, but our behavior as consumers is only fueled by the hype and promotion executed by publishers and developers. Gran Turismo 5 is a perfect example of that. While Japanese development and promotion differs quite significantly from Western standards, PS3 gamers anticipated a game that was going to be particularly outstanding in certain areas. While the game offers an enjoyable experience in bunches, it’s the very things Sony bragged about that ultimately hold the title back. Was it a case of the developer raising the bar too high itself, wanting to jam-pack too much into one title? Below are five things I think hold GT5 back.

Horrendous Shadows

The shadows in Gran Turismo 5 aren’t just poor; they’re absolutely hideous. I’m not sure anyone would have noticed if they weren’t there, but the very fact that the developer included them in the final product, despite the sheer ugliness, is quite bewildering. While it doesn’t hinder the experience physically, it’s a massive turn-off that distances you from the environment and visuals. The shadows in GT5 are the complete opposite to what so many of us expected. Not living up to expectations is one thing, but to go beyond fail and implement something so horrendous is just unforgivable. A terrible design flaw that should have been taken out of the final game.

Can this be rectified?

A fix is being worked on to patch the shadows and make them look better. But development problems alongside the PS3 are no secret, and it’s doubtful they’ll be made as smooth as they appear in pre-release trailers and screenshots. The discouraging thing is that something so sinisterly poor from a development standpoint wasn’t going to be rectified until after release and backlash.

How shadows look when still (NOTE: Shadows do not look as good when in motion)

Moronic AI

Thanks to a lack of a damage model, close races can quickly turn from an all-out speed-fest to a bumper-car marathon. AI-controlled cars take little consideration of other vehicles on the circuit, and bumping into one normally sets off a chain reaction of bumps and frustrating crashes. They also stick to the racing lines like glue, meaning it can be difficult to over-take on a turn or follow the line yourself without breaking past them (and that often results in a few bumps along the way).

Can this be rectified?

You’d hope so. One would think that car AI isn’t as complex as, say, an army of soldiers on a virtual battlefield that dictate realistic human tendencies. The AI is hardly a deal breaker, but it can ruin a race, especially if you get the bump off early on around the first bend and you fall behind.

No Pre-Race Car Selection

Navigating through Gran Turismo 5 can be a chore in itself, but some menu design elements are just terribly frustrating, none more so than the inability to change vehicles before a race that dictates a particular type of vehicle. This is compounded by the fact that each individual race section isn’t detailed until you click into it and THEN select “requirements”, which is particularly draining considering the time needed to load screens and move through menus. The logical thing to include (although I’m not sure the term “logical” appears in the Japanese game development handbook) would be for the game to automatically detect which cars you have in your garage, and allow you to change cars without having to go back through the garage. I have never been more mentally drained from navigating menus in a game, and sometimes I just don’t have the energy to shift through menus time and time again to change my car so as to enter a specific event.

Can this be rectified?

Probably not, because it would incorporate the implementation of more menus, and I’m not sure I could handle anymore. My worthless little brain is just not worthy of Gran Turismo 5’s elaborate menu structure. Maybe the Japanese love menus? For a nation so focused on efficiency, it’s uncanny to see a Japanese-developed game be so inefficient.

A real-life reenactment of a GT5 race

Online is just dull

No matchmaking, customization, XP or credits? Really? We get it – the Japanese are not online gamers. But they just need to hurry up and get their act together. Gran Turismo 5 could thrive online, but it just doesn’t. There’s nothing there that brings me back, or anything that entices me like the Hot Pursuit online mode in Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit. Furthermore, a human match is going to be considerably different to a match between one human and a number of AI-controlled cars, so why not include black flags to punish those that use opponents as breaks during corners? There’s limited consequence for your racing techniques, which distances the experience from the so-called “real racing simulator” perception.

Can this be rectified?

Most certainly. We’ve seen DLC in the form of new modes for countless games this generation. But it’s unlikely. Can anyone really see any major DLC coming for a PS3-exclusive over PSN? AND from a Japanese developer?

800 standard (worthless) cars

The barrier between the 800 or so Standard cars and the 200 “Premium” cars is just far too significant. There’s a lot of worthless pieces of junk included in Gran Turismo 5, and while it’s great we got so many different vehicles to play around with, the Standard cars look crap, have no cockpit view and just don’t seem at all worthy considering the quality and level of detail incorporated into the Premium cars. I am yet to purchase a used car and I probably never will, even if that brings me to a roadblock in the game where I can’t progress any further (which is inevitable).

Can this be rectified?

Obviously not, but my word of advice when playing GT5 is to stick to the Premium cars for as long as you possibly can. They offer the better, more realistic and more exciting driving experience.

What are you enjoying in particular about Gran Turismo 5? What frustrates you about the game?

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Please be gentle...
At the beginning of races, some shadows look like they've been ripped from the PS1.

How did that even happen? [Facepalm]
I got my copy, but cant play until PS3 gets fixed [Shifty]
Im going to Edit my post.

And say something very simple, tana go back and gt5 a little more cause what you just wrote has many errors in it.

Many different things you say it doesnt it actually does have and are very obvious.

Your article is written like you played the game for 10mins.
I have to dissagree with a lot of what was written.
First point: Shadows. Ive never noticed any issues at all. Ever.
Second: Moronic AI. I agree to an extent but why complain about them sticking to the driving line? it makes it far easier to overtake if they do that.
Third: No pre-race selection..um did you notice the garage icon in the prerace screen? and if you click on the race if you havnt already selected the right car it brings up the garage filtering all wrong cars out?
Fourth: Dull online? um...no. Just no. Fun as hell with friends.
Fifth: whats wrong with the standard cars? half the cars I use are 'standard' and look beautiful AND get the job done. So i dont see an issue there

Just seems some points werent researched as well as they could have been, or the article is overly critical
I'm 50-50 here, shadows? Who care their shadows, I'm not bothered by them, infact I'd say you watch too much shadow to be concentrating on your driving, whic might explain some of your other comments.

AI on the other hand I agree with it has not changed since the original PS1 game.
If your looking for the best AI racers in town, go play F1 2010, the AI is simply amazing, in fact to me the whole driving experience there out weighs GT5 and all its cars.

Online, it's the Glitches that are keeping this back, not the lack of pats on the back that everyone seems to crave these days.

Want to make it interesting, play it with mates have a laugh, and/or set up a league and may the best person win.

Load times are an issue with almost any game to hit the PS3, the load time is no worse/better than 99% of games out there. (It also allow me time to go get another brew before the race)


In fact, I think the more important failers haven't been touched here. [Facepalm]
@Ace_Wolf look at the shadows at the very start of the race, where the camera moves around the exterior of your car in time with the 3-2-1 countdown. Here is where they look terrible.

Ben said: @Ace_Wolf look at the shadows at the very start of the race, where the camera moves around the exterior of your car in time with the 3-2-1 countdown. Here is where they look terrible.


I'm not racing shadows, & they don't bother me at all.

Ben said: @Ace_Wolf look at the shadows at the very start of the race, where the camera moves around the exterior of your car in time with the 3-2-1 countdown. Here is where they look terrible.



Pretty sure im at a level in the race that im to busy trying to work out my best path to get to the front of the pack, beating some of these guys is hard enough without starring into the shadows of my car.
Obviously peeps around here havent herd of fixes and updates !

and the produces say every month.. or even every week... they are going to release patches..... and the next update is going to rectify shadows/ and damages

and then they are patching online play..

ARTICLE = EPIC FAIL!..

what game is perfect? wait none.. just cause they took soo long to release lets critize the ***K out it

i carnt wait for the diablo III review then!

The-Condor said:


Ben said: @Ace_Wolf look at the shadows at the very start of the race, where the camera moves around the exterior of your car in time with the 3-2-1 countdown. Here is where they look terrible.


Pretty sure im at a level in the race that im to busy trying to work out my best path to get to the front of the pack, beating some of these guys is hard enough without starring into the shadows of my car.



No but when im doing 350km/h down the a straight or flying through a track, all my concerntration is on my shadow and I want it perfect.

Things that hold back MMGN from still not being perfect.

Admins bar a few have lost the plot.
Too many wanker users.
Micky is a member
Whinging and whinning about great games is considered acceptable, considering admin such as tano is the worst at it!!
I'm not saying it's a bad game, it's quite the contrary (actually, the complete opposite), but I'm just listing a few things that hinder the experience for me. Yes, shoddy shadows hurt the experience for me, because the visuals are important to me in a game like this (albeit minimally). That's me. And I also mentioned patches and fixes coming. I could make an article like this for every single game, but I don't think "issues" like these (and I put issues in quotation marks because they hold the game back for me) should be present in a game that was delayed and had a very long development history. Games like Too Human, for example, have inexcusably poor elements that shouldn't be present in a game that took that long to develop - wtf was the delay for? No game is perfect, of course, but something as minimal as jagged shadows, as bad as they are, should not be in a game like this. It's not that the visuals are average, the shadows are PS1-esque and completely inexcusable. Don't say visuals aren't important either, because you all would jump to the defence of the PS3 whenever a discussion about the console's power comes up. If the shadows were the way they are in the same game if it was released as expected (back in 2008) then obviously it wouldn't need to be highlighted. Believe it or not, things like textures, car detail, lighting, and, yes, shadows, all held back development. If they were the cause of delay, why the hell weren't they rectified? And the menu navigation sucks. But that's me. GT5 feels like a chore to play at times, and I'm not alone in thinking that.

And I admit I am overly critical, but that's only fueled by passion. I bought my PS1 with GT2, and my PS2 with GT3. I put in probably hundreds of hours on GT3, played ALL the endurance races (some more than once) and I never, EVER came across something that made me raise an eyebrow. I play GT5 and I see these things all the time. To be quite honest, I think GT5 is a game that has been punished by a developer (and Sony) with expectations higher than the sun. GT5 is a great game, but it's not the best in the series, and my reasoning is above. That's what I think. I know many of you won't agree, but that's just how I look at it :) Feel free to disagree and flame me all you like :P And all of these points would have been in my review had I done the review for GT5. And FYI, I've also got a countering article planned for later this week.

And I'm sorry, but a great game deserves to be critiqued and analyzed more than any other game. My perspective from a gaming experience :) Enjoy!
Well maybe the heading should be Gaetano's pet hates about Gt5.
In all honesty if you had done the gt5 review I woudnt have even read it but because Ben did it I did read it.

Your good at reviewing just not ps3 games. :)

nobbyguss said: Well maybe the heading should be Gaetano's pet hates about Gt5.



That would be terrible for SEO. "Gaetano" looks terrible in print, no matter how much you doll it up :P

Gaetano said: Please be gentle...




haha you're ****ed GL, I'll give you 50 bucks to post this of SDF :P

Gaetano said:

nobbyguss said: Well maybe the heading should be Gaetano's pet hates about Gt5.


That would be terrible for SEO. "Gaetano" looks terrible in print, no matter how much you doll it up


Yeah your right your name would look ridiculous
Lol what a ps3 fanboy.

Mirage said: Lol what a ps3 fanboy.



Coming from the biggust xbox fanboy on the site and the only reason they where made mod is because you best mates with gaetano.

Dont worry Mirage we all remember you from you trolling days.
You cant change your strips they just turn to spots instead. ;)
I was talking about Tano but yeah, alright dude :)
Play nice guys please. No more Nintendo vs. SEGA wars. We're all adults here.

Gaetano said: Play nice guys please. No more Nintendo vs. SEGA wars. We're all adults here.


Silly 'Tano, so many of them have a birth certificate that says they're adults, however I'm yet to see many of them act it.

Just an observation.
Adults? Mostly.............not [Rage]

Tia said:

Gaetano said: Play nice guys please. No more Nintendo vs. SEGA wars. We're all adults here.


Silly 'Tano, so many of them have a birth certificate that says they're adults, however I'm yet to see many of them act it.
Just an observation.



Some would say that you a ragging with hormones most of the time and that is just an observation.

And yes I do act childish. I like to stay young at heart. ;)

The-Condor said:

Tia said:

Gaetano said: Play nice guys please. No more Nintendo vs. SEGA wars. We're all adults here.


Silly 'Tano, so many of them have a birth certificate that says they're adults, however I'm yet to see many of them act it.
Just an observation.


Some would say that you a ragging with hormones most of the time and that is just an observation.
And yes I do act childish. I like to stay young at heart.



lol welcome back to the forums
Man so much anger and rage... come on guys it's a freaking game, somebody puts up their opinion and everyone goes psycho. Of course, that still photo looks fantastic (shadow I mean) but I'll take your word for it.... for now. And the online can be fixed anytime; what I'm afraid of is the menu. Not only will it take a complete overhaul to fix, but a game this complex needs some degree of complexity in it's menu. It's just that big of a game. There has to be something bad to even out the good (yin/yan!), so at least the "bad" is the menu, and not something important like say, handling or FPS. (*)
the cabin shadows killed it for me. I'm back on bumper cam now. also I noticed on daytona any car in cabin view the reflections on the bonnect would just jump up when you got within a certain draw distance. and that would make me flinch, thinking I was going to hit it and quicklu jiggle the wheel in the process normally resulting in a spin.

All this effort and time to build the interiors and the add jaggered shadows and slow drawing reflections...... I totally back gaetano's point of view.

As for the pre-race car selection. look to the right hand bottom of the screen for the garage icon. you can change your car there ;)
Good article 'Tano.

GT5 is certainly not perfect. To me there's only 200 odd cars in this game, i refuse to use the terrible looking standard cars. The shadows and online are horrendously bad. Japanese developers just don't have a clue this gen.

I had a quick go on Forza 3 the other day and im amazed how much better it looks :P With DLC there's now 500 cars in Forza all with current gen graphics and cockpit views and to think it all fits on 2 DVD's.

Im highly critical of GT because past iterations have been nigh on flawless.

i have gripes with this game ..but i love it so!
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No Pre-Race Car Selection
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FALSE!!

You can change the vehicle in the race menu without go back to garage menu.
I just hope game developers pay attention to forums and stuff like this were games are properly evaluated by players. It gives them a chane to see first game what areas they can improve on. I honestly have yet to play Gran Turismo but I am a die hard fan of the franchise. YEs, there was a long wait for it and expectations were really high. I guess they cant make all of the cars premium as it would take ages. There usually is too many versions of skylines and other cars which arent really needed.

It's like outside pressure forced them to rush the game in the end.
Ok i read the comments, Ben yeah I had a look and sometimes you get that shadow effect you mentioned but really Im either looking at the cars at that point or trying to put something down in time to start the race so its no big deal.
The person that said Forza looks better, well you can think that if you want, just like I think John Daley's golf looks better than Tiger Woods 11 (that was sarcastic).
In regards to the long install time for the game, yes it can be frustrating buying a game and waiting for it to install but its only a once off, why this gets mentioned over and over again is beyond me. If it took 50 minutes every time you switched on the system that would be a serious issue. The initial install is no worse than a large firmware update, which many other games receive on a regular basis yet thats somehow not a problem.
Back to racing and enjoying the game, rather than listen to complaints about the leaves on trees not moving enough in the wind
I must say - I've never come across a perfect game...

To put it bluntly - Personally I'm having more fun on this game than I have in a long time - The game-play is fantastic and has created an addiction in the hands of many.

Those that rely on pulling apart games like Gaetano & Dumbnutz (and who would listen to a guy with a name like that anyway) instead of trying to find value in their purchase will never understand the fun and enjoyment such titles and games can bring.

I for one haven't found too much that bothers me as yet - Like I said, I'm yet to find a game that is 100% perfect in every single possible scenario - Because perfection is unachievable no matter how many delays you have.

Bag it if you will and love it if you like. The game is a success to the company - The sales speak for the remark alone.

Agent said: ---
No Pre-Race Car Selection
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FALSE!!
You can change the vehicle in the race menu without go back to garage menu.




+1 Correct...! and when you go to garage,, it will only show the compatible cars for that race..

DumbnutzUK said: Good article 'Tano.
GT5 is certainly not perfect. To me there's only 200 odd cars in this game, i refuse to use the terrible looking standard cars. The shadows and online are horrendously bad. Japanese developers just don't have a clue this gen.
I had a quick go on Forza 3 the other day and im amazed how much better it looks With DLC there's now 500 cars in Forza all with current gen graphics and cockpit views and to think it all fits on 2 DVD's.
Im highly critical of GT because past iterations have been nigh on flawless.



This statement is a complete joke, and really only a true fanboy would make such a disturbing and inaccurate comment.

I have enjoyed playing Forza whilst waiting for GT but honestly the Forza graphics are way under par compared too GT5. Do you have a hdmi cable for your ps3 because if not you should stop your fanboy crap as it is wearing old very quickly
Not much love for this article.
Can you please do a "forza and how it fails article".

kennygirl said: Not much love for this article.
Can you please do a "forza and how it fails article".



But its got a sick as rewind feature, real simulation there [Facepalm]
Hey I have nothin againts forza. It is a great game. The shadows in it are simply amazing.

dougy1 said:Gt is still the king



Why thank you. I am worthy of 'King' Status aren't i? :P

Also people you have to understand where Gaetano is coming from with this article (yes i am late i know) But how long was this game in production for?

Take the length of production + The trailers and screenshots (pre-release game of course) and compare them to the actual product, Well it kind of speaks for it's self. Now before you label me a Xbox fanboy or some other childish name (I'm looking at you Mik3y :P) I'll admit, I have never played this game or a PS3 for that fact (although i have been contemplating getting one) So obviously my opinion has been pasted together from gameplay videoes and such. :) The way i see it, The game final product could've turned out better then it did...

@Kennygirl

I cannot believe this article and some of the fanboyish responses


Some of your post makes you look like a fangirl, You even went as far as calling Dumbnutz a fanboy because he mentioned Forza 3 (although talking about how 'amazing' the cars and such are was not really needed) You have to understand that it's basically Forza vs Gran Turismo for the title of best racing sim.
@greenthumb there is no contest actually.

GT5 is the king. Nuff said.
And every game is also open to a view from a different angle. Some people care more about aesthetics than others. Whether or not the content of the article is accurate I have no idea, but take into consideration that it isn't written about how you, I, or anybody else sees it. It's written from Gaetano's own personal experience with the game.

I for one would like to see more articles like this, especially on the much hyped AAA titles. Every review going around generally holds the same praises for a new title. I would love to read more (for lack of a better word) nit-picky articles here. You can read about how amazing a game is all over the web, so an overly-critical view on such titles would be a good course in my opinion.
Yes. The standard cars DO look awesome where is this coming from that they dont? oh you cant sit in the drivers seat and have your view obstructed by a whole lot of crap? Really why complain about them? They are just as good as the 'premium' cars only with a few less options for modifying them. Big deal.
The amount of rage over one man's post is just unbelievable. He is posting what he feels is holding GT5 back and you all come in here and winge that he's wrong and that this game is perfect? This is his opinion, don't bitch about it if it isn't the same as yours. Also, no, I repeat, no game is perfect. I think some of you people need to accept it.

Anyways, from what I have heard around the internet(and not just MMGN for those people going out of their way to hate on this site), the shadows are bad and the online isn't the best.

From the looks of it, we have a large infestation of GTFs(Grand Turisumo Fanboys) which need to exterminated.
Really you wanna exterminate the guys that love the number 1 franchise on the ps3? On a ps3 forum?

Yeah great plan "imod".
Some of the alpha effects in GT5 look positively ugly - spray from the cars in wet weather conditions being a case in point the blocky pixels are visible


Some lovely shadows :P
Get the Adobe Flash Player to see this video.



Some awesome 'Standard Car' shots



www.eurogamer.net/...
The thing is, Gaetano said himself, numerous times, that it is a good game.

So, really, what is the problem?
@The-Condor - I doubt it's number 1, also, fanboys are never a good thing to have around. They're(you're) blind to the obvious flaws, and when someone says anything negative about it you flare up. This is one person's opinion and look how much you got worked up over it. Just chill. ;)

Pilkingbod said: The thing is, Gaetano said himself, numerous times, that it is a good game.
So, really, what is the problem?



+1
No actually I know all the flaws better then anyone else that has posted in this article, becuase there is only two guys in here that have played the game much as I have.

And yes the shaddows are crap, this is true. And some of the standard cars look crap but a lot of them look great.

@matteh so if fanboys are not a good thing how come I can see dumbnutz, pilki, tana, mirage and yourself all in this one article.

Funny hey, everyone of these guys is a fanboy of one certain console, just as I am, even though I own every console there is on the market I still favour the ps3.

The-Condor said:
Funny hey, everyone of these guys is a fanboy of one certain console.


Wii and 360 are two consoles, Einstein.

I would also like you to point out where I've ever said anything negative about GT5 or the PS3.
Ok so i am going back through a lot of articles written on this website and apparently this is one of 2 that deal with what a game did wrong (the other being the latest call of duty game, which got another article about what it did right).
So what did Halo get wrong? Forza? Super Mario Brothers? we dont know. Opinions are fine and like the Condor is saying the game isnt perfect. The point is that these 'flaws' are being massivly exaerated and followed up by silly fanboy responses from people who havnt even played the game or not enough to get a feel for it. Spend a few weeks on it then come back. I might write an article about what Halo Reach got wrong
i'm really enjoying this game love the wide selection of cars (even though some of them are pointless and stupid cars)

B spec was anoying at first but now my driver is good enough to win without any assistance from he its jsut free money and cars. Even though i am really enjoying it the thing that lets this game down the most is the menu how can it take so long to just load a screen with a few options.

Im happy to have the menu just text and black and white if it loads instanly its really frustrating waiting all the time.

Oh and on the shadow issue can't say ive really noticed the shadows at all i must be to busy concentrating on driving.

Ace_Wolf said: The point is that these 'flaws' are being massivly exaerated and followed up by silly fanboy responses from people who havnt even played the game or not enough to get a feel for it.


Such as...?
Funny how every1 is carrying on about the shadows... and not one mention about car damage.. that was ment to be realeased with the game?

thought that would be more of concern then some ***K'n shadows...

tho in saying this.. the next update fixes car damage

mikevtss said: Funny how every1 is carrying on about the shadows... and not one mention about car damage.. that was ment to be realeased with the game?
thought that would be more of concern then some ***K'n shadows...
tho in saying this.. the next update fixes car damage



The damage to be honest hasn't really bothered me, previous iterations didn't have it so i havn't gone looking for it here. Nice to here its getting patched up though.

DumbnutzUK said:

mikevtss said: Funny how every1 is carrying on about the shadows... and not one mention about car damage.. that was ment to be realeased with the game?
thought that would be more of concern then some ***K'n shadows...
tho in saying this.. the next update fixes car damage


The damage to be honest hasn't really bothered me, previous iterations didn't have it so i havn't gone looking for it here. Nice to here its getting patched up though.



Nice to see its getting patched up huh??

Something very fishy in this post, just wondering how long its been since you have played gt5??

DumbnutzUK said:


mikevtss said: Funny how every1 is carrying on about the shadows... and not one mention about car damage.. that was ment to be realeased with the game?
thought that would be more of concern then some ***K'n shadows...
tho in saying this.. the next update fixes car damage


The damage to be honest hasn't really bothered me, previous iterations didn't have it so i havn't gone looking for it here. Nice to here its getting patched up though.



so the way the sun shines off the car and casts a shadow is more concern.. then running into a wall and not giving a scratch or dent?

The-Condor said: Nice to see its getting patched up huh??
Something very fishy in this post, just wondering how long its been since you have played gt5??



My patches download automatically thorugh PS Plus, its at 1.03 isn't it? Played it this morning. I was mentioning the damage problem being patched up i hadn't noticed.

mikevtss said: so the way the sun shines off the car and casts a shadow is more concern.. then running into a wall and not giving a scratch or dent?



I don't crash at all really :P
I think the damage patch was mainly for online play

S_Facelift said: I think the damage patch was mainly for online play



That's what i heard... maybe thats why im not noticing any problems with it in singleplayer?

DumbnutzUK said:


S_Facelift said: I think the damage patch was mainly for online play


That's what i heard... maybe thats why im not noticing any problems with it in singleplayer?



Yeah i would say so i believe it just added the option in multiplayer to choose the severity of damage sustained when crashing.
wow haaaaaaaaarsh!!

okay first i didnt notice the shadows at all, and the in game installs stopped after the beginner levels so are you sure you did the full 20 minute (4-hour) install at the beginning?!

the average loading time each race is 30 seconds by my watch so YES, you are being spoilt.

as for pre race car selection.....are you sure we even have the same game cos the "logical thing" you say they should have done is exactly what they did as far as i can tell. click requirements or whatever it is, then click garage and it takes you to a filtered version of your garage where only the compatible cars are shown. hit triangle, change car, close it and your back to enter the race. that is what you said right? :O

DumbnutzUK said: Where are the admins on this site?? Such a poorly run place. Hey Tit-Billions why don't you use your own profle and grow some?




Busy mopping up after you guys.

Guyver said:


DumbnutzUK said: Where are the admins on this site?? Such a poorly run place. Hey Tit-Billions why don't you use your own profle and grow some?


Busy mopping up after you guys.



I suppose im meant to just be the bigger man and walk away, yes? Well im just not taking it anymore Guyver...

Allowing this to happen on the site, allowing certain members to get away with what they do is just a disgrace and poor adminship.

DumbnutzUK said:

Guyver said:


DumbnutzUK said: Where are the admins on this site?? Such a poorly run place. Hey Tit-Billions why don't you use your own profle and grow some?


Busy mopping up after you guys.


I suppose im meant to just be the bigger man and walk away, yes? Well im just not taking it anymore Guyver...
Allowing this to happen on the site, allowing certain members to get away with what they do is just a disgrace and poor adminship.




Yeah sorry mate it has taken me a half hour reading though all the 100+ comments on here while trying to work. If you want to make a complaint about the site or how it's run use the contact button.

As for this article I personally think it should be removed and I don't mean to be rude or disrespectful to Gaetano in anyway. The comments posted on here have gone from sharing an opinion to personal attacks.
Just discuss the pros and cons of this game with out ripping shreds off each other.

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